Re: [lojban] Re: "point"?

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 11:17:46PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> On 12/5/05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 12:54:33PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > > On 12/3/05, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >     lojban.org links to Nick's Lojban pages
> > >
> > >  {vorme} is not unidirectional, but then you can always click
> > >  on the "back" button,
> >
> > *UGH*.  Even for you[1] that's a horrible metaphor.  The "back"
> > button does *NOT* make a link bi-directional in any respect
> > whatsoever.  If X links to Y, unless someone else who gets to Y
> > by some other means can *see* that X links to Y, the link is
> > strongly unidirectional.
> 
> Some buildings have emergency exits that allow passage in one
> direction only (unless under special circumstances, like if you
> open it from the inside, similar to the special circumstance of
> being able to go back to the page where you came from). I don't
> think I would mind {vorme} being used for that kind of door.

Even in that case, if someone else opens the door, you can go
through it.  It's still a two-way link.

> > Furthermore, the x4 is spurious at best.
> 
> Actually... The x4 could be used to distinguish links to other
> pages generally anywhere in x4 = the internet, links to pages in
> x4 = the same site, and links to other places in x4 = the same
> page...

Barf.

> The main problem I see with {vorme} for "link" is that there are
> other possibilities in the same general area that could compete
> for it, such as "portal" or "home page", which are also kinds of
> entrances.

Ugh.  That's really genuinely repulsive to me, almost to the stomach
ache level.

Now, "pluta" might actually work.  It's uni-directional, and the
place structure seems useful enough.

> > [1]: xorxes and I have a long-standing fight about
> > computer-related terminology.  I think his creations show a
> > complete lack of understanding of how computers actually
> > function,
> 
> You exaggerate, how many terms have we really disagreed on? 

Dozens.  Basically every computer-related term you've done on the
Tiki I hate.  I just haven't been pestering you about it because I
haven't had time to come up with better ones, and I feel that people
who can't help should mostly not whine.

> I can only think of {papri} for webpage. I don't really have a
> strong position on this. I don't especially like {papri} or
> {vorme}, but they are better than nothing. 

I disagree; I think they are much, much worse than nothing.  I think
they encourage utterly confused thought and inaccurate
understandings of the underlying concepts.

I'd rather throw my hands up in the air and say "We can't use Lojban
to talk about computers ever, sorry." than use "vorme" for "web
link".

That *may* be a slight exagerration, but it doesn't feel so right
now.

-Robin

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