Re: [lojban] Re: semantic primes

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

I think it is important to stress the "in frame
of reference" version of x3, especially if the
"facing" version is creating problems.  But how
do we say a frame of reference?

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/17/06, John E Clifford
> <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > Presumably, {pritu} serves both to locate an
> > object (x1) in relation to a sided object
> which
> > also has a directional orientation possible
> (x2)
> > and then tries to coordinate that with an
> > external position.
> 
> If the reference point serves both as
> positional reference
> and as orientation reference (as is often the
> case)
> it can be repeated in x2 and x3, no problem:
> 
>   le bersa cu zutse bu'u lo pritu be le patfu
> (bei ri)
>   The son sits at the right of the father (from
> the father's viewpoint).
> 
> Other schemes, that try to make x2 both the
> positional and the
> orientation reference, and x3 something else
> that plays with x2
> to get it to be an orientation reference, are
> so full of complications
> that I don't think it's worth even bothering
> with them.
> 
> I hope people will keep saying things like:
> 
>  le blanu bolci cu pritu le xunre bolci mi
>  "The blue ball is to the right of the red ball
> from my point to view."
> 
> and just ignore the x2 facing x3 complications.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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