Re: [lojban] Re: About jboselkei reviews

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

While I am not sure I agree with the arguments in
toto, I agree with at least a weak form of the
conclusion.  There is no need for a modal version
of {kakne}.  There further should be a modal
version of {cumki}.  It would be nice to convince
some higher power to shift {ka'e} in that way
(appearance notwithstanding).  Alas, rising
twenty years has been unable to do so (and maybe
more; I think this problem was around already in
Loglan). (We need the dual, "it is necessary
that" as well, but that is barely available even
as a predicate.)

--- Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/26/06, komfo,amonan
> <komfoamonan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From the definitions I gather that {ka'e} is
> restricted to innate ability
> > while {kakne} refers to ability innate or
> learned. mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
> 
> The problem with that definition is that {ka'e}
> applies to a selbri, and
> it doesn't make much sense to say that a
> relationship has innate
> capabilities.
> 
> What would {le mlatu ka'e kavbu le smacu} mean?
> That the cat is innately capable of catching
> the mouse,
> that the mouse is innately capable of being
> caught by the
> cat, that they are both innately capable of
> being in the
> {kavbu} relationship? And the trap/restraint
> x3, does it also
> have to be innately capable? What if one of the
> arguments is
> not something that can have innate
> capabilities, would {ka'e}
> not be usable then?
> 
> {jinzi kakne} is better for "innate
> capability", and there it is
> perfectly clear whose innate capability we are
> talking about.
> It is not something that comes up very often
> anyway, so it
> hardly needs to be done with a cmavo.
> 
> {ka'e} just cannot be about capabilities, be
> they innate or learned.
> 
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
> 
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