Re: [lojban] Re: ZOI and culture neutrality

[John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>]

Speaking of filibustering, ...

--- Hugh O'Byrne <hobyrne@gmail.com> wrote:

> John E Clifford wrote:
> > --- Hugh O'Byrne <hobyrne@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>John E Clifford wrote:
> >>>... I don't see the need for it.
> >>
> >>In the argument (summarized)
> >>
> >>me: I think something could be improved!
> >>you: I don't see the need for it.
> >>
> >>your point is at best value-neutral (not even value-negative).  I would 
> >>ask you not to filibuster.
> >
> > Sorry, I took you as saying it ought to be done (what improvements usually entail).  this was
> a
> > request -- in that light -- to show where the need lay, i.e., in what sense its inclusion
> would be
> > an improvement on something.
> 
> No, it was not a request.  It was an admission of lack of vision on your 
> part, and it was filibustering.
> 
> Breakdown:  First sentence, admission of lack of vision.  6 sentences on 
> personal preference and personal usage.  A supposition.  And another 
> admission of lack of vision.
> 
> This was filibuster.  If you disagree, I'm happy to let the community 
> decide (though I do not wish to impose such a task on it).  Either the 
> representative of the community: the list moderator, or the populus of 
> the community: a poll, would be acceptable to me.  Your choice!
> 
> What do you think?  Would you abide by the results of a poll on whether 
> "me: I think something could be improved! you: I don't see the need for 
> it." is filibustering or not?  I would.
> 
> Making it easy:  A multiple-choice question.
> 
> What are you going to do now?
> 
> A) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but refuse to allow any 
> feedback from the community in favour or against your position.
> 
> B) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but leave the question to 
> the community (or a legitimate representative of the community).
> 
> C) Admit to filibustering.
> 
> D) Ignore this post.
> 
> E) ... My imagination lacks.  But as I said, you have considerable 
> skill, perhaps you can put something in for "E" here.
> 
> (Fair warning:  I am holding this as a coffin-nail.  Not on your 
> argument, in particular, but on one of your methods of argument (guess 
> which one).  I'm giving you this chance to disarm me of that nail, if 
> you care to take it.)
> 
> -- 
> Good night, and have a rational tomorrow!
> 
> mi'e .xius.
> 
> 
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