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Re: [lojban] Re: No Italy

Actually, neither is a dialect of the other. Italian, French, Portugese, Spanish, and the other Romance languages are more like siblings than dialects of eachother. In the beginning, there was Classical Latin -- the 'proper' or 'formal' Latin of the Roman conquerors, from which came Vernacular Latin (also called Vulgar Latin) -- the Latin of the common people. As it mixed with the local dying languages, it formed dialects which became less and less like eachother over time. Spanish got a heavy dallop of Arabic mixed in, which the others missed, from being occupied by the Moors.
So, calling either a dialect of the other is incorrect. Honestly, most languages are more of a spectrum -- a fact which was much more obvious in centuries past before formalization of language was so strong.
I think the point being made was that Spanish is the representative of the Latin decended languages (Romance), so we *could* refer to Italian in terms of Spanish. Not that anybody reccommends this though. I prefer the lujvo or fu'ivla myself. 

mu'omi'e.aleks.

On Aug 19, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
that seems a bit rude. I am preity sure it is the other way around. (spanish is a dialect of italian.). It is also quite incorrect. You could have new latin and western new latin, BUT NOT EASTERN SPANISH! It is just plain wrong. and also eastern spanish would not properly represent the cultures 
involved.  and seems quite offensive.  (ie,  genericide of celibrated
diferences).
I don't accualy know anything. that responce was wholy from the emotional 
side of my brain.

On Saturday 19 August 2006 06:22, Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Yanis Batura wrote:

I wonder why there is no gismu for Italy/Italian while there are
{jordo}, {filso}, {libjo}, {lubno}. I think Italians can provide 1000 times more Lojbanists than the countries pertaining to the latter four 
gismu.
Arguably you could make a lujvo from latmo (and indeed that was our idea 
at the time).

The answer to your question is that Italy does not speak one of the 6
source languages, whereas the four you mentioned do.  Based solely on
cultural neutrality, it was difficult to find a reason NOT to make a
gismu for any country with a substantial number of Arabic speakers,
especially since Arabic qualified as one of our 6 languages only by
counting the speakers in the many different countries that spoke the
language.

If you want to be really culturally obtuse, you could call Italian
"eastern-Spanish", since we almost counted Italian as a dialect of
Spanish for weighting purposes in the language populations %^)
Or you can make a fu'ivla, which has been the idea ever since we worked 
out a system for fu'ivla lujvo.

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