la ma'aseltcan. .i do kakne .i UI

["Andrii Zvorygin" <andrii.z@gmail.com>]

pe'i you are very capable of making it happen. I am no more skilled than you are, we are all human, and so are limited to the abilities of a human. It's not as though there is any great monolithic stone that is being erected, but perhaps a pile of pebbles thrown together, by many contributors, a system built by me alone, is useful to none but me. 

lo lidne .i ro ri finti la ma'aseltcan. All can contribute to the We With You Network.

It's true there probably will have to be a commitee to decide what to put in a basic installation package, perhaps update it to have the latest perks.  A lot of the design will have to be well thought through, we have to work with the limitations of lo remna, and keep in mind that we will exceed them, this is just a stepping stone on the path to a Singularity.

We right now, are standing on a stepping stone of history, that might be. This technology will arise, with no delay, I'm sure there are thousands of people as I type this having the same ideas, and working on the same problems. The only question of history, is which of these projects will go down in history, as the implementation that ended up being used. VHS or Betamax, that is where ma'a are standing.

If this is going to be the way it's going to go, and Lojban is going to be the answer of the future, then we can't wait another moment. We must proliferate Lojban, through word-of-mouth and other advertising strategies, to get it to catch on, become a fad, that sticks around because it's actually usefull.

for now, there is something really easy you can do, It's to use the one advantage of Lojban that other languages don't give you. .ai Attitudinals, just learn to use them when communicating in your native language. dai Perhaps not at first aloud, .ui.i'unai where the world can hear the sounds of Lojban. ku'i .ui.ai online where you can give people a link to. 
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lojban/Attitudinals
or tell them to search "lojban attitudinals" on google. 
If they ask why you aren't just using emomicons like :) and :(, you can say:

• There is more versatility with Attitudinals
• There is more precision with Attitudinals
• There is more speed with Attitudinals (don't have to look them up, like with msn emotions, those are just getting out of hand)
• There is a standard with Attitudinals (the weight of a language and it's peoples)
• Internationalization is the future
• Lojban is the future
• they can't be confused with ordinary text (most languages i've heard of), and don't require special characters
• You can use them even when NOT using the computer (imagine saying "colon left bracket" or "colon S" instead of .ui, and for the second, well I don't even really know what they mean)
  

.o'asai you have the power.


mi'e Lokadin
tcana la ma'aseltcan.
.i do kakne 

p.s. in case you missed the conversation we were having about subject (not me):  
my opinion on why lojban isn't specifically well suited for human-computer interaction. where I basically described a system I had in mind that might solve a lot of problems we currently have with computers today. such as

• monolithic programs
• non-standardization
• mono-cultured programming
• having to spend 75% of the time "developing" code, trying to understand what others coded
• lack of AI in the computer
• ISP's
• DRM
• RIAA
• the Big Brother (no one but you and your computer should be able to get or even begin to understand how to retrieve your sensitive data)

read the mailing list history logs for more info, found here: 
http://lojban.org/lists/lojban-list/mail274.html
p.p.s .u'u I know I've been a hypocrite throughout most of this email regarding the Attitudinals .i ku'i .u'
e.u'a.i'a ma'a binxo

On 9/25/06, M@ <matthew.dunlap@gmail.com> wrote:

I once spent three weeks in brazil with 9 other programmers in my division.  None of us spoke portugese, but betweent the 10 of us we managed to reconstruct enough spanish vocab to get our meanings across, so they can't be that different.  It was actually pretty funny.  The one portugese speaker (the waiter for instance) would say something and we'd all start working furiously to decode it, then come up with an answer, then attempt to encode it back to something he'd understand.

 

Andrii, that is a MUCH larger than I had realized.  It's certainly a grand plan.  It strikes me as the kind of project that everyone dismisses as impossibly hard until the conditions are right and one person ignores the fact that it can't be done and does it.  It's way beyond my skill, that's for sure.  I would caution you about open code bases though, even OSS projects have leaders that govern which user changes make it into the system, otherwise people would break other people's code constantly.

 

--M@
 

> I have heard a Portuguese and a Hispanic talking as if each one's language was
> a code for the other. The grammar is close enough that they can do this, but
> the vocabulary contains numerous differences:
> porto         spano           lojbo
> janela                ventana         canko
> tatu          armadillo       cakmabru
> faca          cuchillo        dakfu
> alfândega     aduana          koirgretro
> fita          cinta           dasri
> cão           perro           gerku