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Re: [lojban] Re: "la" in names




On 8 Nov, 2006, at 18:21, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

On Wed, Nov 08, 2006 at 07:08:56AM -0500, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
Join the club.  I'd like to be able to say my name in Lojban
("laitl"), but it's not legal after "la".

In current Lojban it's not legal *at all*, after la or otherwise.

*However*, that didn't stop it from getting into a *published Lojban
book*, despite it being written by the most fluent speaker at the
time, and being proofread by most of the best Lojbanists at the
time:

http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/pref.html

Search for "laitl".

.i ji'a pe'i le me zo la javni cu nitcu co se daspo

-Robin

I might note that Loglan removed the restriction on names beginning with La, or any other letter group that could precede a bare name (e.g. Hoi (which precedes a vocative) ci (hyphen, for reasons which follow)) by introducing the following rules. Such a name used as as a vocative must be preceded by 'hoi' , or 'la' when used in an argument. Consecutive names e.g. Peter Lalonde (or Lalande) must be written as pitr ci laland. When a listener hears multiple combinations of la, ci, or hoi, da knows that the first member is a name indicator, and the remainder up to the terminating consonant and subsequent pause is a name.
	This is from memory, but I think it covers the situation.
Forbidding 'la' in names is awkward for people of French background, whose names very frequently begin with La or Le

Bob McIvor