Re: [lojban] Re: "la" in names

[Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:18:14 -0800
Subject: [lojban] Re: "la" in names

> 
> On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 06:40:28AM +0300, Yanis Batura wrote:
> > I don't understand you, people. You are not at all confused by the
> > fact that Lojban doesn't have VERY MANY sounds present in other
> > languages, but the fact that you can't spell your name exactly as
> > in English make you sick.
> > 
> > Lojban doesn't allow {la}, {lai} and {doi} in names, and that's
> > all. If even almost everyone, including me, of course, cannot
> > adhere to this rule, that is our problem, and not the language's.
> > Just wait, and the sence of correct lojbanization will develop in
> > us.
> 
> Not a single Lojbanist has *ever* internalized this rule.  We know
> this because *every* major Lojbanist has made this mistake, and it
> showed up in "What Is Lojban?", which was proofread by at least 3
> major Lojbanists.
> 
> We have no evidence, at all, that anyone can internalize this rule.
> It's not about whether the rule is good or not.  I don't mind in the
> slightest that "la" isn't allowed; that's the least of what we have
> to do to Lojbanize names.  The problem is not what the rule
> requires, the problem is that *we can't follow it*, and we've
> *proven* we can't.

Hmmm... From the logical point of view... Lojban is a bit pertaining to logic,
isn't it?... Someone cannot *prove* that he cannot do something :) Proven can only
be a fact that someone *can* do something, by doing that. I suggest that you
use "shown" or "demonstrated" instead of "proven".

I am absolutely sure that a native Lojban speaker will have the rule comfortly
sitting in his/her brain. I am absolutely sure that given a good special training 
we will all internalize this rule.

> A rule we can't follow that, in the not-following, breaks
> audio-visual isomorphism is, to me, a total travesty of one of the
> most important goals of the language.  Whether someone gets to use
> the "la" sound in their name or not is totally irrelevant to my
> concerns.  We're *breaking the language*, and it has to stop.

Your suggestions? (sorry if I missed something back from 2005 :)

mi'e .ianis