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Re: [lojban] Re: morphology paper announced
coi xorxes
words, but it is unclear whether the rest of the word after cutting
off a leading cmavo must be a valid word by itself.
Yes, the rest must be one or more words, otherwise you cannot separate
a cmavo.
ma? ca'e xusra la'e di'u
Brkwords.txt text doesn't claim this. It says something like "if a piece
of text is beginning with a vowel followed by a valid initial consonant
cluster, then cut off this vowel as a cmavo". It does NOT say "check if
the rest after cutting off a vowel is a valid word by itself, and if it
is not, undo cutting and try to parse the whole piece as a single word".
So I don't understand why your and vlatai point of view is valid.
{.iglu} is no different from {ciblu}. If you break it into {.i}
+ {glu} then you would also break {ciblu} into {ci} + {blu}.
No, it IS different. {iglu} is handled by rule 2. C. 4) a) 3] of the
brkwords algorithm, while {ciblu} is handled by rule 2. C. 4) b) 5] a]
of that algorithm. If you want another (lengthier) example handled by
the same rule with {iglu}, consider {adjgadja}.
Vlatai does not recognize as brivla some words that I failed to find
any reason not to be a valid brivla. The shortest possible example is
"adjdga". If someone knows why this is not a brivla, mail me please!
The PEG morphology rejects it because "jdg" is not a valid initial
cluster. It only accepts non-initial clusters that consist of one
consonant plus a valid initial cluster.
As far as I have understood PEG morphology papers during the last few
hours, it drastically limits the repertoire of valid syllables - from
potentially infinite to a finite one. Neither CLL no brkwords forbids
consonant clusters (and even initial consonant clusters) of any length.
There are only two potentially infinite initial cluster forms: (d[jz])+
and (t[cs])+, but who have decided to forbid them?
And one last question: back in nineties John Cowan suggests that two or
more vowels not forming diphthong are forbidden in brivla (although they
are OK in cmene). PEG morphology treats them as separate syllables. This
one I opine is a good idea and going to correct my syntax plugin in this
direction. But do I understand the intent correctly?
Upd: discussion between me and JC is at:
http://www.lojban.org/en/lists/lojban-list/thrd49.html#15581
and the JC final answer is at:
http://www.lojban.org/en/lists/lojban-list/msg15643.html
It was not nineties in a strict sense, it was 2000.
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Cyril Slobin <slobin@ice.ru> `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said,
<http://45.free.net/~slobin> `it means just what I choose it to mean'