[lojban] lu'o lo/le vs. loi/lei in LFB

["Chris Capel" <pdf23ds@gmail.com>]

Reading this lesson:

http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less4articles.html

The author introduces {lu'o} as the main way to use mass sumti, which
I think isn't right. He says

"You cannot say 'loi ci nanmu cu bevri le pipno', because that means
that there are only three men that exist in the universe."

Which, with the new {lo} semantics, isn't true. {lo ci nanmu} simply
means "three men". Since that's the case, you can now use inner
quantifiers on {loi} phrases with no problems, and there's no reason
to ever use {lu'o lo}. Is all that right?

Also, even given the old LE semantics, I don't think his reasoning
would imply you ever need to use {lu'o le}, since inner quantifiers
have the desired semantics.

So I'm thinking that whole section (just the page I linked to) could
use re-writing for the new LE semantics. Which I think I'll do, if no
one objects. As it stands, it's very confusing. I remember being
confused by it two or so years back when I was reading it for the
first time, and even just now I found it hard to wade through, and I
think that's just unnecessary. There's no reason for cmalu lojbo prenu
to get stuck on that particular section.

Chris Capel
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