[lojban] lo questions

["Chris Capel" <pdf23ds@gmail.com>]

I'm rewriting LFB ch 4.2[1] to assume the acceptance of the BPFK gadri
section[2] as it currently stands. I think this will make the section
much, much clearer. But I'm finding myself confused about the effects
of the proposal. Here's a section I'm rewriting.

> So lo ci gerku means 'any/some of three dogs', or more simply, 'three dogs'. (As a conversational convention, we can assume that the "any/some" means "all" when the number is specified after lo.) ci lo gerku, however, means more like 'three of any/some dogs', i.e. three out of a group of dogs of unspecified size. That's still useful, but probably not what we have in mind when, in English, we say "three dogs".

Is this accurate so far? Now here's where I'm confused. If "lo ci
gerku" is the best equivalent of "three dogs", then wouldn't we expect
"ci gerku" to also mean "three dogs"? And yet, according to the gadri
proposal[3], "ci gerku" means "ci lo gerku", or "three of some dogs".
That seems backwards to me.

Chris Capel

[1] http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less4articles.html=
[2] http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK%20Section%3A%20gadri
[3] "When an outer quantifier is used without an inner quantifier, lo
can be omitted."[2]
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