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[lojban] Assertions of time-relations and precision of abstractions



.coi rodo

We've had a long discussion on this on IRC, but in the end I got the 
impression we were all more or less confused:

1.)
Does {lo nu lo cevni cu zbasu lo munji kei fasnu} assert {lo cevni cu zbasu lo 
munji} to be true?

Or does the abstraction loose precision (in whatever way)?.

(We had the point that {lo nu lo cevni cu zbasu lo munji kei} could also refer 
to the big-bang due to it's abstract nature (while {lo cevni cu zbasu lo 
munji} can't due to it's less abstract nature); does the abstraction really 
loose precision?)


2.)
Which of the following is asserted by {.i broda ba lo nu brode}?
A.) {.i broda}
B.) {.i brode}
C.) {.i lo nu broda cu balvi lo nu brode} [Just the order! Without 
implications of A and B!]

We had the example of: {.i mi citka lo plise ba lo nu mi citka lo badna}
Where the question was, if {.i mi citka lo badna} was implicitly stated, since 
the whole bridi wouldn't make sense if it wasn't.

(i.e. It wouldn't make sense to state "I eat one or more apples after my 
eating one or more banana(s)", if "my eating one or more banana(s)" never 
occurred and never will)

ki'e mi'e nam

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