[lojban] Re: lujvo list

["Chris Capel" <pdf23ds@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/10/08, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have this text file with a bunch of lujvo in it. I think it might be
>> noraluj.txt. Anyway, it lines that look like this:
>>
>> grinunjvi:girzu+nu+jivna:tournament:$nu1 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $=girzu1
>> $jivna3 $jivna4
>>
>> What does that ampersand mean there? I would figure it's a typeo, but
>> there's a whole bunch of them.
>
> Maybe it means jivna1&jivna2=girzu1, but that's just my guess.
> What are other examples?

Looking at a few of them, it seems plausible. The & is always the same
gismu as the preceeding. But then I saw this one:

kangri#with+group:cluster:$girzu1 $girzu2 $girzu3 $girzu4 $=kansa1
$&kansa2 $=kansa3

And if your idea were right, you would think that the last one would
be $&kansa3, which would be a silly way to make a lujvo anyway. My
idea is that it's the start of a new place in the luvjo, like
"&broda1" type tokens, and marks something about that place. Like
maybe the way it's combined with the next one? The problem with that
interpretation is that all of the & tokens wouldn't have to have the
same gismu as the preceeding.

mitsi'u:mintu+simxu:the same to each other:$simxu1 $=mintu1 $&mintu2 $mintu3
mitsmuvla:mintu+smuni+valsi:synonym:$valsi1 $=mintu1 $mintu2 $mintu3 $valsi3

This is an interesting pair of examples. Why would the & be used in
the first but not the second?

ritna'aterjvi:brito+nanca+te+jivna:British annual/year-long
competition [e.g. FA Cup]:$jivna3 $jivna1 $&jivna2 $jivna4

A lot of them use 'jivna' and 'mintu'. The & is usually between the
first and second place.

simfra:simxu+frati:interplay:$frati1 $&frati3 $frati2 $frati4

Here's one where it's not.

Chris Capel
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