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[lojban] Re: A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: Re: cusku - say or express?)
Great idea! Hadn't thought of that.
Given the upload rate limits ... give me about 5 days, maybe longer.
Sorry.
-Robin
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 08:17:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I vote evolution (AKA survival of the fittest).
> ï
> Put up both methods, and let the users decide which they want to use to
> learn.
> ï
> We've already gotïeverything needed for the lesson as I envisioned it, and
> I assume that you've uploaded most, if not all of the lesson items for it
> already.
> ï
> I also assume that you could, with little effort, add the "placeïn of
> ...." bit to the lessons.
> ï
> So, why not have both?
> ï
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> [2]smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or
> "a sayer" for "lo cusku".
>
> What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1
> of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". ïThat is,
> have both the short form *and* the place structure.
>
> The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of
> something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for
> audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which semems far more natural
> to me. ïOddly. ï:)
>
> I've just tested with "lo te cusku", by the way, and even when stuff
> doesn't fit on a card proprerly, it looks fine in iKnow and Drill.
> Drill can't handle stuff much longer than "an audience for
> expression (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive
> medium x4)", but it can handle that, and a few more words extra I
> expect, so it can probably handle this format in general. ïYou can
> try [3]http://smart.fm/goals/270376 to see what it looks like (test 5
> is that phrase).
>
> -Robin
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:28:13PM -0500, Robert Slaughter wrote:
> > ï ïOn Fri, 2010-03-12 at 18:11 -0300, Jorge Llambïas wrote:
> >
> > ïYou and I already know well what "cusku" means, so whatever keyword
> > ïyou choose won't affect you or me. If your argument is that English
> > ïspeakers in general get confused about the meaning of "say", to the
> > ïextent that they can't readily distinguish it from "talk" without
> > ïcontext, well, maybe a single keyword is just not the answer.
> >
> > ï ïLooking over the discussion today, maybe this point made in passing
> by
> > ï ïxorxes should be reviewed. I've always though that the single
> keyword
> > ï ïidea, as used in logflash (for example), was a weak match, but a
> short
> > ï ïkey-phrase might work better for capturing the underlying meaning
> of the
> > ï ïlojban words -- nor just gismu, but the more troublesome cmavo as
> well.
> >
> > --
> > Bob Slaughter, [1]rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com
> > [2][4]http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
> > North Georgia Modurail: [3][5]http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
> > "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but
> because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein<
> > "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be
> ruled by evil men." -- Plato
> >
> > References
> >
> > ï ïVisible links
> > ï ï1. mailto:[6]rslauGUESS@whatmindspring.com
> > ï ï2. [7]http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
> > ï ï3. [8]http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
>
> --
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> And I'm ïthinking: ï"Does it even occur to you to try for something
> other ïthan ïthe default ïoutcome?" ïSee [9]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
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> References
>
> Visible links
> 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> 2. http://smart.fm/
> 3. http://smart.fm/goals/270376
> 4. http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
> 5. http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
> 6. mailto:rslauGUESS@whatmindspring.com
> 7. http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
> 8. http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
> 9. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> 10. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> 11. http://www.lojban.org/
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> 13. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> 14. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
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They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something
other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
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