"impose on the rest of us generally seems arbitrary"Yes, because it is 'us' and then everyone else who you represent. Sure. Mmhmm."and in any case requires extra learning (and possibly unlearning, which is the real bugaboo)"Which is the exact result that happens with changes borne through 'usage' as you say. But relearning or 'extra learning' is fine, as long as its not done by 'language tinkerers' which label you arbitrarily assign. Great. Makes perfect sense."We cannot prevent such dialectization, and I wouldn't want to try. But we also shouldn't allow one particular group/dialect dictate changes to everyone else, especially since the rest of us didn't experience whatever motivated your change."You're just arbitrarily deciding that changes borne from a single community simply shouldn't be considered regardless of the nature of the change. Yeah this is so completely agreeable. I mean especially since we're dictating these changes on everyone else and this thread didn't start with a public announcement of intention and an invitation for the entire community to remark and participate. But I guess we didn't need the voice of the entire community because we have you."The original intent was that after the baseline"Yeah great. By reiterating unfulfilled 'intention's' we can just avoid the entire issue completely, right? I mean -you're- not going to make good on those intentions are you? I didn't think so. So has your involvement in the project been reduced to just gridlocking the project with this tactic? I mean, why am I asking. Look at the pudding. Its made of proof."Your usage. Not that of others."What others? Where is this mystical group of lojbanists that actually matter? Where are they either finishing your baseline, or prompting the community for progress like we are? They don't exist. You just keep referring to these mythical CLL holders as if owning a CLL somehow trumps other people in the community.
I own a CLL. Who cares?
"That's nice. But your reality isn't everyone's."You're responding to me describing our community. I wasn't extrapolating the work and daily utilization of lojban to any other community. I was describing our's. But this statement is just exemplary to expose just how disparaging you are to those you're not familiar with who's opinion's you disagree with. What is YOUR lojban reality Lojbab? Do you even have one? Is it more or less relevant to ours or literally any community using lojban today? But you can discount entire communities because you're the maladjusted leader. Get over yourself and stop acting like you have some relevancy that can dictate who's usage of Lojban is legitimate enough for the considerations of the usage to be useful in contemplating where the language goes.
Again who does? Which part of the community has valid experience useful for contemplating and making considerations for what works and doesn't? Is it just you? Is it just your friends? Is there some other secret cove of language speakers that you can explicitly name that has this authority? Oh what about that non-sequitur about us 'dictating' changes to people? How about you not squlech an open movement to bring progress and activity back to the language where literally anyone can participate in those processes?
You're insane and you're wrong.