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Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership

On 9/10/2014 4:40 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote:



On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org
<mailto:lojbab@lojban.org>> wrote:

    On 9/9/2014 4:50 PM, And Rosta wrote:


        In old usage, "le" was standardly not used in a
        baseline-compliant way;
        cf how "le nu", "le ka", "le du'u" used to be default in usage.


    That is still my default.  I don't know why it is not
    baseline-compliant (indeed, Xorxes has told me that the old usage is
    not incorrect under xorlo)


I hope I didn't say that. What I probably did say is that most of the
stuff that was correct pre-xorlo is still correct with xorlo,
I can probably find the quote, but I am not sure it is really relevant. But when someone repeatedly tells me I am wrong, I am less likely to keep trying. I am sure that I am not the only one this holds for, and I am pretty sure that I would misuse xorlo, if only because I don't know when NOT to use "lo". 


I believe And may be thinking of something like "mi nelci le nu limna"
for "I like swimming". The problem with "le" here is that when you say
"I like swimming" you don't have a particular event of swimming in mind,
so why would you use "le"?
le is not necessarily singular (or plural), but I certainly have some concept of what events of swimming (that I am fond of) are, and I am, referring to one or more of such events. 

 "le nu limna" is supposed to be a particular

event of swimming that the speaker has in mind.

(Nowadays many people would probably rather say "mi nelci lo ka limna",
but the change from "nu" to "ka" is not from xorlo.)
But of course I don't know that my concept of swimming and/or its properties is the same as yours. Since I still associate "lo" with veridicality, and there are likely some events of swimming that I would not nelci, I would have trouble saying "lo". 

lojbab



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