CPE: Corliss Lamont

[Mark Vines <vinesm@wholefoods.com>]

coidoi lobypli

I seek Lojban equivalents for the following:

+ syllogism
+ mortal
+ immortal
+ philosophy
+ personality
+ soul
+ hypothesis
+
+ All men are mortal.
+ Socrates is a man.
+ Therefore Socrates is mortal.

in order to translate the opening words of
_The Illusion of Immortality_ by Corliss Lamont.

Thus far I've managed:

+ syllogism = le cmulojmo'a
+ mortal = cu mrobi'o
+ immortal = cu vi'orji'e
+ philosophy = lezu'o pijysisku
+ personality = le prekai
+ soul = le ruxyse'i
+ hypothesis = le skecipsmadi
+
+ All men are mortal
+ = .i ro le remna cu mrobi'o
+ Socrates is a man.
+ = .i la SOkrates. cu remna
+ Therefore Socrates is mortal.
+ = .i la SOkrates. seni'i cu mrobi'o

but I feel pretty dubious about several of
these, especially {cmulojmo'a} & my use of
{seni'i}.

Here's the passage I hope to learn from
translating:

> "All men are mortal" begins the most famous
> of all syllogisms, and it proceeds to tell
> us that "Socrates is a man" and "therefore
> Socrates is mortal."  The branch of philosophy
> known as logic has made much of this syllogism
> as an example of perfect reasoning; what is
> more significant is the prodigious amount of
> time and energy which philosophy as a whole
> has spent on inquiring into its true and
> complete meaning.  On that meaning have been
> thought to hang the destiny of man, the fate
> of nations and even the existence of God.
> The real question has been:  How seriously
> are we to take the proposition that men and
> Socrates are mortal?  For there exists a
> well-known counter-proposition to the effect
> that men and Socrates are _im_mortal; or at
> least that what we call their personalities
> or souls are immortal.  In fact, Socrates
> himself, if the _Dialogues_ of Plato are to
> be trusted, was one of the first to advance
> the hypothesis of the soul's immortality.

co'imi'e markl.

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Nick Summers <nsummers@hutch.com.au> wrote:

>Mark E. Shoulson wrote:
>
>> I would prefer a MUD...
>
>> There used to be a Lojban room on MediaMOO..
>
>> ...Lojban environment, but a MUSH...
>
>I'm sorry, forgive my ignorance. What the hell are we talking about
>here? MUD? MOO? MUSH?

MUD   Multi-User Dimension
MOO   MUD Object-Oriented
MUSH  Multi-User Shared Hallucination

The names don't tell you much, do they? Shall we try to Lojbanize them?

All three of these varieties started out as servers which accept multiple
simultaneous telnet logins for players of cooperative and competitive
role-playing adventure games. Many use the Dungeons & Dragons model, while
others have different settings and purposes. M*s are also used as chat
centers and in educational simulations.

I'm working with Zugg (Mike Potter), author of the highly regarded zMUD
client, on a project, and I have been following the development of the
MUD++ server. We could probably talk to Mike about a Lojban translation of
zMUD, and we could certainly set up a MUD which allowed the user to see
either Lojban or English descriptions and help files, and used both Lojban
and English commands. The Internet Go Server, which is not a MUD, provides
English, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese user interfaces.

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Edward Cherlin     cherlin@newbie.net     Everything should be made
Vice President     Ask. Someone knows.       as simple as possible,
NewbieNet, Inc.                                 __but no simpler__.
http://www.newbie.net/                Attributed to Albert Einstein