Re: [lojban] Re: use-mention errors

[Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

2018-01-28 17:13 GMT+03:00 'John E Clifford' via lojban <lojban@googlegroups.com>:

After 60 some years of trying to teach the distinction and its importance, I am willing to be that Lojbanist today (as back in the ‘80s and ‘90s) still make the mistake regularly.

Well, by Lojbanists I meant only people who practice text conversations in IRC chat. No stats from me (no parsers to detect wrong typing/nonsense yet)

 

 The acid test seems to be in the frame “My name is...”, where “My name is John” is the usual (i.e., wrong) response (we pass over the number of times that they include ‘la’ in the answer).  I suspect that almost no one still falls for “cats contain four letters”,

What did it suppose to mean?

 

but more complex cases -- just when making the distinction is important -- are probably still messed up as often as not.

On Sunday, January 28, 2018, 7:32:53 AM CST, <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

Em domingo, 28 de janeiro de 2018 14:26:51 UTC+3, stevo escreveu:

Do speakers of Lojban commit use-mention errors?

From my experience newcomers quickly stop making them once they learn what {lo} and {zo} mean and learn type signatures of verbs.

And in general most errors come from insufficient knowledge of vocabulary.

This error is also relevant to raising, which is dealt with in CLL.

 

I understand that the reason for the distinction between "lo prami" and "zo prami" is to avoid precisely this kind of problem, but is it working? 

stevo

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