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Re: [lojban] lujvo glossing
I'm glad someone (else) is undertaking this. The lirst list contains some
surprises though,
especially given the modifer-modified order in Lojban tanrus::
1 ba'ucpi utter+bird
bacru+cipni: birdcall/birdsong: x1 = bacru1 (utterer) = cipni1 (bird), x2 =
bacru2
(sound)
The tanru looks more like "song bird" than "bird song," so I'd've expected
"x1 is a
songbird of species x2 which cries x3" (under circumstance x4?)(maybe x2 and
x3
reversed?) And, if this is "birdsong," wouldn't the song be x1?
2 ba'usna utter+sound
bacru+sance: to sing, to vocally make sound: x1 = bacru1 (utterer) =
sance2 (producer),
x2 = bacru2 (speech) = sance1 (sound)
How does this differ from bacru itself, or has that come to mean any mode of
expression,
and so we need to specify the sound form? But then, wouldn't it be a sound
utterance
rather than an utterance sound. Or is this the form for the sound uttered,
so that x1 is a
noise, not an agent (roughly se bacru for sounds)?
0+3 ba'urslepoi utter+cell+sequence
0+7 ba'urslepoimi'u utter+cell+sequence+same
16 ba'usle utter+cell
I can't think of what a uttered cell might be literally, so I suspect a
genuine metaphor here,
possibly "phoneme" or "phone" or some other -eme or allo- at a higher level
(tagm, say).
6 ba'urdu'i utter+equal
bacru+dunli: to mimic/imitate a sound: x1 = bacru1 (utterer), x2 = bacru2
(sound) =
dunli1 (left side), x3 = dunli2 (right side), x4 = dunli3 (comparator)
Again, the underlying tanru looks like "equal in utterance" so that the
utterers are x1 and
x2 and what they equally utter is x3. I have no idea what this means,
however.
4 ba'usni utter+sign
bacru+sinxa: to speak in code/an unknown language: x1 = bacru1 (utterer), x2
=
bacru2 (speech) = sinxa1 (sign), x3 = sinxa2 (meaning), x4 = sinxa3 (observer)
Why not just a spoken (or transmitted, if bacru is general) sign, rather than
the uttering of
it: sinxa bacru?
3 babranti soap+soft
You'd expect "soft soap," being a kind of soap to have that order. What can
this mean<
"soft as soap"?
2 babysenta soap+layer
zbabu+senta: a soapy layer/layer of soap: x1 = senta1 (layer), x2 = senta2
(of) =
zbabu1 (soap-made-thing), x3 = senta3 (object), x4 = zbabu2 (source), x5 =
zbabu3
(composition)
I suppose we'd normally say "soap film."
1[1] bacfendi beyond+divide
^
* new=batfendi bite+divide
0+1 backru beyond+curve
I'd love to see some context on these; they look like hyperarithmatic
operations and
products.
pc
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