Re: [lojban] coi rodo - mi'e .aulun.

[pycyn@aol.com]

In a message dated 00-05-26 19:02:02 EDT, you write:

<< From:    jjllambias@hotmail.com (Jorge Llambias)
 To:    lojban@egroups.com
 
 
 I think the Lojban translation shows that neither
 Chuangtze's arguments nor Huitze's counterarguments
 are very convincing. They both seem to just ignore
 what the other is saying.
 
 >Fish Pleasure
 
 finpe pluka
 
 >Chuangtze and Huitze had
 >strolled on to the bridge over the Hao,
 >when the former observed, "See how the
 >fishes dart about.  That is the
 >pleasure of fishes."
 
 i ca le nu la tcuantsen e la xuitsen ba'o
 dzukla le cripu be le xaos kei ty cusku
 lu a'a lei finpe to'ojefa'amu'u sutra
 i la'e di'u pluka lei finpe li'u
 
 >"You yourself are not a fish," said Huitze,
 >"how can you possibly know
 >about the pleasure of fishes?"
 
 i lu do na finpe sei xy cusku i ianai do
 djuno fi le pluka be lo'e finpe fo ma li'u
 
 >"And you not being I," retorted
 >Chuangtze, "How can you know that
 >which I do not know?"
 
 i lu va'o le nu do na du mi sei ty
 spuda kei do djuno le du'u mi na djuno
 makau kei fo ma li'u
 
 >"That I, not being you, do not know
 >what you know," replied Huitze,
 >is identical with my argument
 >that you, not being a fish, cannot
 >know what fish pleasure is like."
 
 i lu le du'u mi noi na du do na djuno
 le du'u do djuno makau sei xy spuda
 cu mintu le mi se darlu po'u le du'u
 do noi na finpe na ka'e djuno le du'u
 makau pluka lo'e finpe li'u
 
 >"Let us go back to your
 >original question," said Chuangtze.
 >You ask me how I know in what consists
 >the pleasure of fishes.  Your very
 >question shows that you knew I knew.
 >I knew it from my own feelings on this bridge."
 
 i lu no'i le do krasi preti zo'u sei ty cusku
 do presku le du'u fo makau mi djuno le du'u
 makau pluka lo'e finpe i le do ba'e preti cu
 jarco le nu do djuno le du'u mi djuno i mi djuno
 fo le nu mi cinmo bu'u le vi cripu li'u >






Nice, though I think that Chuang clearly got the best of it, albeit by pure
sophistry -- but Hui was a sophist of sorts.  Your word order in the last
stretch works very well.  I would have  <<used juangdzyz and xuidzyz, but the
lb versions of Chinese names -- like the English versions -- are open to
considerable interpretation.  I yield to the native speaker.

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