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Re: [lojban] bacrynandu drata
At 05:39 PM 06/28/2000 -0700, michael helsem wrote:
>From: Taral <taral@taral.net>
li'o
> > ko tcidu le mupli pe li bipi'epa zi'e petu'i le somoi
> > cuktypau (See example 8.1 in the 9th chapter of the Book.)
>
>Very good, but shouldn't that be "ckupau"?
vlina (Either/or.)
To clarify, all combinations of rafsi for the same tanru, when properly
formed and connected, represent the same word with identical meaning. Thus
ckupau = cuktypau = cuktypagbu = ckupagbu. Usually the shortest form is
the preferred form, but oftentimes the fully expanded form will be seen,
especially when beginners are talking or listening, because it requires no
knowledge of the short rafsi. A few other mixed forms are common, such as
using expanded forms except for short "mau" (more) in the final position
for a comparative because most people know it (always used even if it may
sometimes be possible to get a shorter word using a different rafsi for zmadu).
A major thing we wanted to avoid was having the same tanru being used to
make several different words having different meanings. JCB and TLI took
the approach that the dictionary-makers would choose one correct form to be
used by all; I chose instead to say that all forms were valid and
synonymous. Longer forms being equivalent later turned out to have an
advantage,when we became concerned about lack of redundancy in the lujvo
space: while a high percentage of words of form CVVCCV (for example among
lujvo forms) are possibly legitimate Lojban words, mishearing a word as
something else meaningful is way too easy. But with the ability to use
expanded forms, we have a built in equivalent of the alfa/bravo/charlie
system which expands English in a noisy environment to prevent errors.
lojbab
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