Re: [lojban] Opposite of za'o

["Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" <lojbab@lojban.org>]

At 04:17 PM 06/30/2000 -0700, Jorge Llambias wrote:
> la pier cusku di'e
> >"still" isn't "za'o", it's "pujeca".
> These have been proposed before:
>
> still: pujeca
> no longer: pujecanai
> already: punaijeca
> not yet: punaijecanai
>
> But to me they miss the most fundamental component of
> these words, the "beyond expectation" part.

Which is attitudinal, probably something like .uero'e

Expectation is, it seems to me, inherently attitudinal on the part of the 
speaker.  The statement that you make using "still" in English, if another 
person were not equally surprised at the situation, would indeed be 
conveyed using "pujeca".

za'o seems to fit because our concept of "beyond the natural end of the 
event" translates well to "beyond expected end".

At one stage, we had compound ZAhOs and they could probably handle the 
others cases above.  If za'o indeed implies a "beyond expectation", then 
"not yet" is the za'o of the ba'o.  These compounds are probably still 
possible, possibly requiring some extra words in between, but are no longer 
built into the grammar as an iterative structure.

lojbab
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