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but in "ka klama" gain an easy way to say "ce'u ce'u ce'u ce'u ce'u klama" (which, btw, is not astilly thing to want to say; it is the sense of zo klama, and hence is somethingone may well wish to talk about).
You may wish to talk about it when talking about language, probably a favourite topic of many Lojbanists, but not something very useful in a broader sense. And when talking about language, my proposal still allows {ka klama} to refer to the 5-ce'u abstraction, since that is what the context would require. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp