Re: [lojban] Re: I like chocolate

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la pycyn cusku di'e

> mi sisku le mi pavyseljirna
>    (Can be true if there is something I refer to as "my unicorn")
> >>
> The boring repetition of this dodge is one of my stronger reason for going
> back an rethinking the the whole be-exist axis.  I mean, as you well know,
> "the particular unicorn I have in mind."  And if that doesn't work, use {la
> cerlakolmz}.

I didn't mean it as a dodge. I still don't understand your objection.

mi sisku lo pavyseljirna poi mi pensi ke'a
There is a unicorn that I am thinking about, which I seek.
This can be true only if there is such a unicorn in the world
of the utterance.

mi sisku le'e pavyseljirna
I seek the unicorn(s) (the one(s) I have in mind).
This is like {lo'e} except that the underlying class is {le'i
pavyseljirna} instead of {lo'i pavyseljirna}.

> <<
> mi sisku lo'e pavyseljirna
>    I seek a unicorn. (Can be true even in worlds where I have no
>    hope of ever finding any.)
> >>
> This is, of course, the case in contention and cannot be used to support 
> the
> heretical view as such.

It is used to show the simplicity of the proposed interpretation.

> <<
> le mi pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py
> lo pavyseljirna zo'u mi sisku le ka ce'u du py
> mi sisku le ka ce'u pavyseljirna
> (= mi sisku le ka lo pavyseljirna zo'u ce'u du py)
> >>
> Only the third of these is normal Lojban,

What is abnormal about the first two? They seem perfectly
reasonable to me. The one with {le'e} above would be, in
terms of official {sisku}:

mi sisku le ka le pavyseljirna zo'u ce'u du py

> which is why your {kai-} move looks
> a bit like the {sisku} one.

The {sisku} move is half of my {lo'e}-move. My {kairsisku} is
exactly Lojban's official {sisku}. But I don't propose to ever
use {kairsisku}, except in a linguistic discussion about how
to define {lo'e}.

> It isn't the same -- or at least has not yet
> been shown to be.

How can it not be the same, when I am defining my {kairsisku}
as Lojban's {sisku}?

mu'o mi'e xorxes



_________________________________________________________________
Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com