Re: [lojban] Re: On what there isn't

["Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>]

la pycyn cusku di'e

> <<
> > Thus, though Holmes might have the proprety of being knighted
> > by Queen Victoria, Queen Victoria does not have the property of
> having
> > knighted Holmes (though her surrogate would).
>
>     i la xolmyz cu se nolgau lo'e glico nolraitru
>     i ku'i no glico nolraitru cu nolgau la xolmyz
> >>
> I'd stick with {la viktorias}, since bringing in {lo'e} -- whatever that
> means -- introduces a whole range of problems which this shift is designed 
> to
> help solve, not to have incorporated into it.

I was just pointing out the parallels with my use of {lo'e}.
I didn't use the name because unfortunetely Lojban doesn't
treat names as predicates, but I could do it with {me}:

     i la xolmyz cu se nolgau lo'e me la viktorias
     i ku'i la viktorias na nolgau la xolmyz

> In particular, the Victoria we
> are talking about is the familiar one, not one of her surrogates in a book 
> or
> elsewhere;

Correct. That's why I can only bring up the property of being her
(which is what lo'e does, but using that property, not referring
to that property), and not herself.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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