[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

Re: [lojban] Re: paroi ro mentu


la djorden cusku di'e


You're breaking the same rules again.  "paroi ro le re djedi" is a
single term.  You can't just bring parts of it forward, all of it
must go if you want to keep the same meaning.  You could do
  paroi roda voi djedi zo'u mi klama la paris.


{paroi ro le re djedi} is a single term as much as
{paroi le pavdei e le reldei} is a single term. Whatever rule
applies to one (scopewise) should apply to the other.

The rule I think is the Right Thing is that {e}/{ro} have
scope over {pa} in that example.


It's quite clear to me that either convention for tag+sumti scopes
can be delt with consistently, and the book doesn't say which is
right.  The book does say thing go left-to-right for terms, but
since these are in the same term in the parse it's not a definite
answer.  I think left-to-right makes most sense, however, because it
seems to be what would be expected when using a tag which has a
quantifier in it, since everything else is left-to-right.


Notice however that it's not just tags with explicit PA that are
involved. For example {ze'a ro mentu} with my interpretation says
that the event happens in each medium-length minute interval. With
the other interpretation it says that the event happens in the
medium interval consisting of all minutes (surely not very medium-
length).


This might be something that is worth gathering usage statistics
on PAroi+sumti or just plain tag+sumti for all tags which can have
quantifiers (re'u, etc). If people have been mainly using it with
right-to-left, then since the book isn't definite here we would
probably go that way, but if not the normal futher-left-gets-wider-scope
rule seems to make sense.


To me that rule does not make sense in this case because it forces
a kind of massification of the quantified sumti, which when wanted
should be done by other means.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


_________________________________________________________________
Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com