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Re: [lojban] Usage deciding (was: RE: Re: [Announcement] The Alice Translation Has Moved And Changed


la lojbab cusku di'e


I have long been afraid that Jorge's using an innovation might become
accepted as a viable standard merely because he has used it a lot.


Do you have a concrete example that causes you such concern? Why
would it be a problem that something I use becomes accepted? Are
you similarly afraid of innovations by other users of the language?


 "Let
usage decide" was meant to refer to collective usage by many people in many
contexts, so that the usage itself becomes normative rather than
exceptional.


{ka'enai} would seem to be the best example of that, not only
against CLL but also against the baselined grammar, and yet used
by many people in many contexts.


Jorge is free to advocate his ideas through usage, but has to
be prepared for people noticing and objecting.


I do my best to be prepared. Some people tend to object more
than to notice, though. Many objections arise only after I bring
the issue up myself in discussions.


As long as it is his
private writing, he can then decide whether to listen to them.


All of my writing is my private writing, isn't it?


Barring
Alice being called a Jorge-only project (which may indeed be happening),
being dialectal seems wrong.


It would be unfair to the other three contributors to call it
a Jorge-only project. Adam did a fair bit of work (about a
chapter and a half) and Pierre and Robin did significant parts
of another chapter, though I heavily edited those. Also Pierre
did extensive revision of all the work. But I don't mind it
having big red warning signs "DANGER - EDITED BY XORXES" all
over it if that makes you happy.


The Board is attempting at this moment to wrestle with a clear statement of
baseline policy and making progress.  I don't want to try to argue the
issue in multiple fora.  It is proving hard enough with only 7 of us,
though consensus may be starting to win out.


Could you remind us who the 7 members are? Is this 7-people consensus
going to be representative of the opinions of the community at large?

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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