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Re: [lojban] Re: Loglan




On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 07:07  AM, And Rosta wrote:

Steven:
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 05:14  PM, Invent Yourself wrote:

For heaven's sake! If someone is new to this whole mess, and after
reading
that hoary article they search and discover that there are two existing
dialects now forty years on, and that one is alive and the other is
dying,
the furthest thing from their minds will be looking for a cmavo to
toggle
between them!! They will look for the best dialect, and learn it! If
they
mistakenly select Loglan, so be it

More likely, they will conclude that we are fractured community of
warring, clueless Bozos and avoid both lojban and Loglan

I just tried googling for Lojban and for Loglan. 384000 hits for Lojban.
6750 hits for Loglan. (Volupuk, 29500; Esperanto, 1,080,000; Novial,
2000; "Klingon" 398000, Tlingan, 46; Quenya, 35,200; Laadan 3300.)
So someone doing a bit of sustained investigation would soon realize
that Lojban is 57 times more active than Loglan... Note that Esperanto
has only 3 times more hits than Lojban.

But I do think that it is important to work on reunifying the
language. Given that the old version seems to be dead, in practise
reunification means pointing out that Lojban is the living version
of Loglan, and this could be pointed out a little more prominently
in our official web presence. I don't see it as disrespectful to
TLI Loglan: we're not dissing the language, we'd just be pointing
out that it is moribund, and helpfully pointing out to newbies
who have heard of Loglan that the living community of Loglanists
is to be found in Lojbanistan.

--And.


We agree. Loglan is dead, long live lojban. Now if the conquering heroes could stop their cock-walk strutting about, maybe we can build the community to the point where we beat Esperanto in a googlecount. Building a community is facilitated by making newbies feel welcome, even if they are Loglan oldbies. Perhaps the controversy can be summed up as follows: I believe there are about 500 old Loglanders who might be interested in learning lojban. xod believes I am wrong. This seems like a testable hypothesis to me: track 'em down and ask 'em.

-Steven