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Re: [lojban] Re: cmegadri valfendi preti
At 12:49 AM 12/7/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
I'm not sure that you understood the point I was making. I was claiming
that the morphological rules are ALREADY too complex to be used in
real time.
I think you are wrong, provided that we aren't inventing pathological
borderline cases (like something that sounds like a full Lojban sentence
ending with a consonant.
Names are seldom so long that they will not be understood to be names
without any special parsing. Indeed, in my experience, a name included in
a Lojban utterance makes the whole thing easier to aurally parse.
lujvo also are easy to hear because with longer ones, the penultimate
stress tends to be emphasized more so as not to be heard as a secondary
stress. Because lujvo are designed so that the front cannot fall off, only
a REALLY long lujvo would be difficult to keep track of.
fu'ivla, especially Type IVs, however, are irregular, and thus there are
few aural patterns that distinguish them. I haven't heard spoken Lojban
with a lot of fu'ivla in them, but I suspect that with fluent speech they
will be the hardest to identify.
It is therefore irrelevant that making the rules even more
complex will make life even harder for the listener struggling to parse
in real time. I think the rules could not be simplified to the point
where they could be used in realtime, unless the entire morphology
was discarded and redesigned from scratch.
Since real human beings have spoken and understood Lojban is real time
(though Nick at full bore exceeds my capabilities, it is usually because he
is using words I don't recall rather than that I can't break his speech
into words), this sounds like a post-Apollo claim that the moon is really a
lump of green cheese 20 miles up.
lojbab
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