Jim Carter wrote:
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, John Cowan wrote:This definitely won't work for Loglan/Lojban. For example, in Lojban it is possible to create two lujvo with the place structures "x1 has a heart" and "x1 has a kidney", and these are distinct predicates. In Gua\spi, however, they are the same predicate.Not to contradict your conclusion that the -gua\spi definition won't work for (every predicate in) Lojban, but isn't it "x1 is be-kidneyed by x2"? Presumably, the sets of hearts and kidneys would only overlap a little, unless we're defining a formerly unrecognized synonym, so the referent sets would be distinct in this case.
"risna" is defined as x1 is a/the heart of x2 (I couldn't find a gismu for "kidney"). "To have a heart" might be "selrisna". Consequently "la djan. selrisna" seems to imply "la djan. ponse lo risna" (except that the latter could mean that he could have someone else's heart in a jar on his mantelpiece). I suppose if you really wanted to make a tanru for "has a heart AND a kidney", "has a heart OR kidney" or even has "some kind of organ which combines the attributes of a heart and a kidney", on it would be possible, but I don't think you could lujvo-ise it because of the logical connectors.
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