At 04:46 AM 9/11/03 -0700, xah wrote:
Thanks Pierre Abbat. But is there an authoritative answer here? who's responsible for this gismu list?
I produced it, if that is what you are asking.
On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 04:43 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 06 September 2003 18:39, xah wrote: > > ( http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt ) > > > > is there a format spec for the gismu list? > > > > i.e. a sample line from the gismu list looks like this: > > > > pensi pes pei think 'pensive' x1 > > thinks/considers/cogitates/reasons/is pensive about/reflects upon > > subject/concept x2 3l 164 [also: x1 is thoughtful (one > > sense); x2 is mental (one sense)/intellectual (one sense) (= > selpei)]; > > (cf. cmavo list pe'i, jijnu, menli, morji, sidbo, jinvi, se nabmi, > > minra, lanli, besna, saske, skami) > > > > > > Multiple spaces are used as column separators. What are "pes" and > > "pei"? and what's the diff between the semantic position at "think" > and > > "'pensive'"? > > "pes" and "pei" are called "rafsi". They are forms used in compound > words, > such as "nunpei" (thought, the event of thinking) and "selpei" > (thought, a > thing one thinks). The word in single quotes is often a word that is > phonetically more similar than the gloss to the Lojban word, e.g. for > "basti" > the word is "substitute", which has four letters in common in order > with it. > > > What does the "3l 164" refers to? > > I think those are usage statistics, used to decide which words get > more rafsi.
Columns 1-5 is the gismu itself6-19 are up to three assigned rafsi, with position in the field indicating the form CVC CCV or CVV 20-39 is the English keyword - a unique word useful for remembering the word but not necessarily a definition; being unique was more critical than being definitional 41-60 is a hint word which may be an alternate word with related meaning that may be used as a memory aid (these might not be unique or unambiguous)
62-157 official place structure definition159-160 letter and number code associating the word with the original Lojban textbook outline to give the intended teaching order. 161-164 a frequency count from 1993, giving an ordering based on usage up to that point The latter two were used to generate non-alphabetical sorted lists based on two plausible ordering in which one might want to learn the words. 165+ contains additional information that did not fit into the place structure field, generally explanatory, with cross-references to related words.
Originally, only the first three fields were baselined, but the community has treated the entire document as frozen for several years. The byfy is responsible for making any changes to it at this point.
lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org