[lojban] Re: two concepts I haven't found any helpful translation

[Invent Yourself <xod@thestonecutters.net>]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:04:27PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 10:53:53AM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 11:09:48PM +0100, Llu'is Batlle i
> > > > > Rossell wrote:
> > > > > > They are 'hardware' and 'software'. Any clue?
> > > > >
> > > > > >From http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl
> > > > >
> > > > > samru'e, samselpla and sampla for "program".  Apparently I
> > > > > didn't do glosses for software.
> > > > >
> > > > > For hardware, what's wrong with minji?
> > > > >
> > > > > mutmi'i, IMO, is ass.
> >
> > On the other hand, it occurred to me that software is still
> > software even if it's not being run. Is that true of pruce?
>
> Probably not, but it is of samselpla.
>
> > If a piece of software is never ever executed, what is "process"
> > about it?
>
> If a piece of software is *never* executed, what is "software" about
> it?
>
> > Either way, it's a metaphor. Strictly, software is nothing but
> > software. But we can liken it to a process (when it's excuted), a
> > contraption built using code as a building material, or as an
> > algorithm or schema, or as a responsive intelligence, or as a work
> > of literature, or as a mathematical entity like a theorem, or as a
> > single number, or as a human experience.
>
> At least two of those are, to me, so poetic as to be communicatively
> useless.
>
> > The machine analogy bears the most fruit from the perspective of
> > social relations, usage, and intent. Pieces of software are like
> > machines in terms of their design by specialists, their mass
> > production and marketing by corporations, their function as
> > capital and also as consumer goods. Mechanical logic is
> > historically being replaced by digital logic.
>
> That's nice.  The place structure sucks for most sentences talking
> about software, IMO.


The difference between platu and minji, in place structure, is only the
creator.

cabra is also a contender, but it seems more restricted, seeming requiring
constant human control.


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