[lojban] Re: Opinions on "mi viska le sa .i mi cusku zo .djan."

[Robert McIvor <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On Apr 6, 2004, at 5:54 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote:

> --- Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:28:03PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote:
> > > {zei} makes lujvo, not the same thing.
> >
> > \/\/hatever.  la mikce me la jivagos me'u, then.  What, this comes up 
> > in
> > everyday speech for you?
>
> (You usually won't need {me'u} there.) Modification of names with
> brivla I would class as everyday speech, yes.
>
> > > But the main advantage is the reduction in useless proliferation of
> > > selma'o.
> >
> > Not useless; it's already been shown that the proliferation allows
> > eliding of a syllable in a very, very common case, which seems 
> > important
> > to me.
>
> To me it is better if you just have to learn one pattern
> (LE BRIVLA CU BRIVLA) instead of (LE/LA BRIVLA CU BRIVLA)
> and (LA CMENE BRIVLA), even at the expense of that {cu},
> but that's just me. I suspect that the possibility of
> {LA CMENE BRIVLA} existing is part of what makes the
> common error {LE BRIVLA BRIVLA} so frequent.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes

	For what it's worth, I agree 100% with Jorge on these points.
Loglan did put la and le into the same selmaho, though despite
making the same argument about the common error le brivla brivla
(in Loglan as in lojban), I (and several others) could not convince
JCB that the cu/gu should be mandatory. If the mandatory pause
after la Alis is written or spoken, (a comma in Loglan) our parser
treats it as a gu/cu equivalent,

mu'o mi'e bab

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