[lojban] Re: pronunciation with cmavo and brivla

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Zefram wrote:

> Jorge Llambías wrote:
> >Maybe something like {RE. SPAti} would have been a better example.
> >It is not clear whether {RESPAti} should break as {re spati}
> >or as {respa ti}, as in both cases the brivla has a stressed 
> >penultimate syllable.
> 
> It *is* clear, because /RESPA/ is not a valid pronunciation of {respa}.
> All non-penultimate syllables in a brivla must be unstressed.

Right. But RE followed without pause by a brivla is also
not a valid pronunciation of {re}. So {RESPAti} is not
interpretable as a valid string. In order to interpret you have 
to either allow some stressed syllable in a brivla other than
the penultimate, or allow a stressed cmavo in front of a brivla.
 
> The ambiguity occurs with, for example, /LOkreBUKpu/, which could be
> divided into words as either {lo krebukpu} or {lokre bukpu}.

Right, that would be ambiguous if it weren't for the cmavo
stress rule.

The cmavo stress rule is more strict than it needs to be:
it doesn't allow final stress in a cmavo that is followed
without an intervening pause by a brivla. There are many
cases where the rule could be relaxed:

RENANmu
RESPAti
REfu'Ivla
REmlonGEna

would all still be unambiguous, not just two-syllable brivla.

The actual parsers that implement the morphology tend to
be more permissive with stress rules, but unfortunately
not always in the same direction. We don't have a standard
for permissiveness yet.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



		
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