Re: [lojban] Archivist: Counterexamples to general fu'ivla lujvo making

[Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>]

Pierre Abbat wrote:

> The Book says: "Many attempts were made to add general mechanisms for making 
> lujvo that contained fu'ivla, but all failed on obvious or obscure 
> counterexamples; finally the general ``zei'' mechanism was devised instead." 
> Xorxes has come up with a morphology that purports to make lujvo from all 
> fu'ivla and even cmene. Can someone dig up the counterexamples?
>  
I  doubt if there is any record of counterexamples unless they are in 
the Lojban List archives.  Nora was the one who kept finding 
counterexamples, but I was posting for her in those days.  I vaguely 
associate the proposed introduction of "zei" with a LogFest discussion 
between Nora, John Cowan and perhaps others; of course there were no 
meaningful permanent records kept of Logfest discussions.

If it helps in searching archives, I believe that the predecessor to zei 
was a linking "hyphen", "iy".  I can't remember exactly how it was glued 
onto the components.

My archived notes on the morphology algorithm show that "iy" was added 
sometime between July and Sept 1991, probably at that year's LogFest.  I 
think it survived a year or two before further work showed it was broken 
and ZEI was added.  So to look for counterexamples, I would search list 
archives between July 1991 and perhaps Sept 1994 looking for keywords 
"morphology", "le'avla" and "fu'ivla", and text string "iy" which should 
not be too common in Lojban List except in such a discussion.

Sorry if that isn't sufficient.