[lojban] Re: [Archivist] muvdu vs. sezmuvgau

[Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>]

--- Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> Originally, muvdu was an agentive move, but it was always misused. 
> People wanted to use it for oscillatory motion, for moving your arm 
> (which is ambiguous as to whether it is agentive)

We still don't have a good general word for motion. {muvdu} is for
translatory motion, but it does not cover {carna} or {desku} for 
example, which are other kinds of motion. A word that covers them
all could be {tolcando}, but it has other connotations.

> The gismu list gives muvgau and muvzu'e for agentive move.

{muvgau} is agentive but the agent (x1) is not the one changing
location, the x2 is the one that changes location in this case.

{muvzu'e} is agentive and volitional. x1 is the one that changes
location by its own agency, and also with some goal.

{sezmuvgau} is like {muvzu'e} but not necessarily volitional. 

{muvdu} is not necessarily agentive nor volitional, but it can
of course be used to describe the motion of a person. It is not
specified whether they move by their own agency and/or volition,
but for people it would probably be the default assumption.

mu'o mi'e xorxes



		
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