[lojban] Something Wittgenstein wrote ...

["Ryan Gray," <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

In Culture and Value Wittgenstein made an interesting point. He wrote:

"Philosophers who say: 'after death a timeless state will begin', or:
'at death a timeless state begins', and do not notice that they have
used the words 'after' and 'at' and 'begins' in a temporal sense, and
that temporality is embedded in their grammar."

or if having the origingal German helps:
"Die Philosophen, welche sagen: >>nach dem Tod wird ein zeitloser
Zustand eintreten<<, oder: >>mit dem Tod tritt ein zeitloser Zustand
ein<<, und nicht merken, dass sie im zeitlichen Sinne >>nach<< und
>>mit<< und tritt ein<< gesagt haben, und, dass die Zeitlichkeit in
ihrer Grammatik liegt."

Whether or not you agree or disagree with Wittgenstein or the people
he is mentioning, how would one say: "after death a timeless state
will begin", or: "at death a timeless state begins" in Lojban and
would you be able to do so without making the mistake Wittgenstein is
talking about?

Thanks,

Ryan