[lojban] Re: Again {xorlo} and Wiki.

[Robin Lee Powell <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 04:25:57AM -0700, Opi Lauma wrote:
[snip]
> A side effect of the above is that in xorlo, if you mean "one
> bear", consider actually saying "pa cribe". It's ever so much more
> specific. xorxes points out that to refer to one bear, "lo pa
> cribe" is actually a bit better;
[snip]
> And it is opposite to what I understood from answers on one of the
> my previous postings:
>
>       {pa cribe} = {pa lo cribe} = ?an bear?.
> 
> and opposite to what I understood from lessons of Nick Nicholas: 
>
>       {lo pa cribe} means that there exists only one
>
> bear in the world.

Umm.  You seem to be only reading bits of the page in question.

The page, for others' benefit, is
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=How%20to%20use%20xorlo

The part you seem to have ignored is:

    "xorlo" is our (the baupla fuzykamni's) pet name for the gadri
    (articles, like "the" and "a" in English) BPFK proposal written
    mostly by xorxes. It has the advantage of being a gismu form.
    The gadri proposal (which has now been accepted by a vote of 11
    to 0 by the BPFK, although it is technically subject to future
    changes until we declare ourselves done) is quite complete, but
    rather full of technical jargon.

I think that makes it clear that this is a new proposal.
Furthermore, if you follow the "baupla fuzykamni" link, the first
paragraph is:

    The baupla fuzykamni, also known as the BPFK or byfy, is the
    definitional committee for the Lojban language, charged with
    expanding the current documentation of the provisional Lojban
    baseline (and in particular improving the quality of cmavo
    definitions) as well as resolving any errors or conflicts that
    might exist. It was formed as a result of the new baseline
    statement by the LLG board in November of 2002. The baupla
    fuzykamni is currently led (in an administrative capacity, at
    least) by Robin Lee Powell.

The "new baseline statement" link (to
http://lojban.org/llg/baseline.html) provides even more detail.

However, in case all of that is unclear in some way: xorlo is not
official yet, but it probably will be.  Nick's lessons are out of
date in that they do not take xorlo into account; that will be fixed
when the BPFK is finished with its work.

Whether you want to keep up with what the BPFK is doing while we're
still in progress, or wait until we're done, is up to you.  If the
latetr, ignore the xorlo page entirely for now.

-Robin

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