[lojban] Re: Loglish: A Modest Proposal

["Ben Goertzel" <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

> > I understand that in some other cases
> > maintaining a
> > familiar vocabulary with an unfamiliar grammar
> > has proved
> > difficult, but I have a strong feeling this
> > won't be the 
> > case with Loglish -- based on (among other
> > thigns) my 
> > recent preliminary experiments trying
> > to speak a (flawed version of) Loglish with my
> > wife...
> 
> Which have been, of course, uncontrolled so that
> you can choose to accept whatever you say as
> being OK. Several experiments of this intuitive
> sort with other modified Englishes have come a
> cropper  on this problem.

Correct -- so the right experiment for me to do is to write
a Loglish parser and experiment with it, seeing how
difficult it is to get the hang of writing correct
Loglish at the computer without repeated iterations...

I don't consider Loglish to really be a "modified
English", though I think it could be sold as such.

It's really a "modified Lojban".
    
> > Yes, I agree that WordNet and FrameNet are not
> > the only possible
> > resources to use in this role ... they're just
> > the best-known
> > and most fully-fleshed-out examples of
> > resources of their kind...
> 
> I worry about WordNet because it does not seem to
> have a core vocabulary with which to define
> everything else (the Platonist in me, I suppose;
> but the full carrying through of all these
> projects seems to requires some such basis).

WordNet does have a systematic ontology for categorizing
all the words/senses in it, but not a core vocabulary...

> but I fear that in my old age 
> I have become more pragmatic and less idealistic
> ;-p>>
> 
> Gee, as I get nearer to 70 I find myself being
> more optimistic about most things that do not
> involve politics (which this issue  does I
> suppose) and giving up politics as  hopeless
> (given the small amount of money at my disposal).

Well I'm not really old, I'm just 38 -- but I have woken
up the fact that nearly everything definable or 
discussable in human terms involves politics ;-p --
and this sort of issue (adoption of languages by large
numbers of human beings) certainly does...

ben



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