[lojban] Re: xorlo podcast

[Jorge Llambías <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On 9/29/05, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  The technical details of prelo --
> admittedly a new term since I got tired of
> writing "the previously acccepted version of
> {lo}"

I don't think there was any "previously accepted version
of {lo}" other than CLL-lo.

> but one introduced with what was in context
> an adequate explanation -- were put up on the
> wiki and xorxes commented on that paper
> (http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban%20Formulae)
> in some detail.

I do remember commenting on that page. I don't think
anyone else gave any indication of having read it.

> xorxes was active in the
> creation of prelo and at one time seemed to say
> he was using it (though I suspect that what he
> was using was an early version of xorlo -- they
> hard to tell apart except in details that may not
> turn up for a while).

Before xorlo, I used {lo'e} as the generic gadri, but {lo}
always as in CLL {su'o lo}. I didn't go through any
intermediate stage. Perhaps what you are remembering
is my use of {lo'e}?

> Indeed, my recollection is that the shift to
> prelo took place before or soon after CLL
> appeared (it existed in various forms for some
> time before publication).

I, on the other hand, don't think there ever was a shift
away from CLL-lo to something that could be called prelo,
unless you are talking of my use of {lo'e}.

(Certainly there were people misusing CLL-lo all the time,
but those were mistakes, not conscious usage of a
different proposal.)

> {lo broda} =  {su'o lo ro broda} goes back to
> Loglan (before 1975, probably before 1960, but I
> can't check now).

It probably dates from the start of Lojban. It's unlikely
to be from Loglan because in Loglan there is nothing
like CLL-lo. Loglan's {lo} is basically the same as
xorlo (as in gavagai and Mr Rabbit).

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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