[lojban] Re: mutce/tsali/carmi etc

[Jorge Llambías <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On 1/29/06, Evgeny Sklyanin <eks2005@gmail.com> wrote:
> My attempt at the answer:
>
> The scale {tsali/ruble} refers mainly to an innate ability of an agent to
> perform some task: "strong athlete, teacher, student"

I think that would be {stati}, or more generally {certu}.
I'd say {tsali/ruble} has more to do with capacity to overcome
resistance, somehow contrasting with {jdari/ranti} which has to
do with capacity to withstand a force.

> The scale {carmi/kandi} refers to an intensity of an easily quantifiable
> quality of an event or an action: "bright light, strong rain, strong push"

The x3 also seems to suggest that it has an important subjective or
directional/locational component.

> The scale {mutce/milxe} can be used to add finer gradations into any of the
> above scales: mutce tsali zajba = very strong athlete, milxe carmi carvi =
> mild rain

Yes, I think {mutce/milxe} are the most general words for gradation.
{mutce} has an odd x3 that would allow {mutce lo ka glare} to mean
"very cold", but fortunately nobody pays any attention to that place.

> Besides, {vlipa} is about the social power, power to command: {vlipa catni}

{vlipa} seems like an extreme form of {kakne}.

> Any objections, corrections? What is the current usage?

Except for {mutce}, I don't think there has been a significant amount of
usage of these words.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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