[lojban] Re: semantic primes can define anything

["Jorge Llambías" <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On 3/27/06, John E Clifford <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I have always thought the "opinion" part of
> {jinvi} was peripheral in a sense;

Given the x4 of {jinvi} (the "grounds") it is hard to see how it
could be peripheral.

> >  I can
> > think (pensi) of pigs flying
> > without opining (jinvi) that pigs fly.
>
> But apparently you can't pensi of pigs flying;
> there is no place for propositional content.

  mi pensi lo nu lo xarju cu vofli
  I think of an event of pigs flying.

> Or
> do you want that {pensi2} is for propositional
> content (which would eliminate a raft of
> problems)?

No, I think pensi is fine as it is, but that it is not for opinions.

> Yes; I think it has to be "something happens to
> something."  But again, in the absence of more
> cases it is hard to be sure.

I found this one, but I don't know if it's official:

X feels sad =
X feels something
sometimes a person thinks something like this:
"something bad happened
 if I didn't know that it happened I would say: 'I don't want it to happen'
 I don't say this now because I know: 'I can't do anything'"
because of this, this person feels something bad
X feels something like this

So apparently things can HAPPEN without happening (explicitly)
to something.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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