[lojban] Re: jbovlaste query

[Robin Lee Powell <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

OK.  If you'd like to suggest some explanatory text, I'd be happy to
add it to the query page.

-Robin

On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 04:43:48PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> In my universe, "broken" means "the operator of the device can't
> predict whether it is likely to accomplish what it is for at any given
> time." If I never know when my car will start or refuse to start, it's
> broken. If my car has been deliberately designed to not start under
> certain conditions for my own safety, it's not mentioned in the
> manual, and I have no idea what those conditions are so that it looks
> random, I'll get a new car.
> 
> I don't think it's a bug. I think the absence of explanation on the
> search page is the design flaw. It gives the appearance of being a way
> to search jbovlaste for every word, and then it doesn't do so. It
> looks like a mistake, an accident, because there is no way to know
> that it was deliberate.
> 
> Granted, an argument can be made that it's good and useful to restrict
> jbovlaste query from finding every example of a word on the whole
> site. But until someone knows why it was restricted, it seems to fail
> at what the user is attempting. In the meantime Joe Q. Public will
> still use the listing to look up bad lujvo alphabetically.
> 
> -epkat
> 
> 
> On 4/26/06, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > OK, in my universe (as a professional sysadmin) "broken" means
> > "completely fails to function".  This is patently not the case.
> >
> > In fact, it functions exactly as designed.  If you have a problem
> > with the design, this isn't the forum to address it.  Perhaps the
> > main list, if you like.
> >
> > The *reason* it doesn't is to avoid John Q. Public seeing things
> > like:
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/selranxi
> >
> > The goal is for users to be motivated to fix words up so they might
> > actually be *worth* voting for.
> >
> > Thus far, no-one seems to be so motivated, but that's hardly a
> > problem unique to jbovlaste around here.
> >
> > In the case of the word in question, pelnimre, I am *quite* certain
> > that I don't want John Q. Public seeing *this* crap:
> >
> > http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/pelnimre
> >
> > This is a *feature*, not a bug.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 04:06:05PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> > > There needs to be a vote in both directions for the words to show up
> > > in the search. The search page doesn't say this; John Q. Public
> > > Searcher doesn't know this; so he tries a search and it doesn't return
> > > a result.
> > >
> > > Naturally he interprets this to mean that search is claiming it isn't
> > > in there. He hunts it up alphabetically in the listing, and says "hey,
> > > it was here all along, but search made the claim that it wasn't.
> > > Search must be broken."
> > >
> > > And it is broken, by a meaningful definition of broken.
> > >
> > > -epkat
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/26/06, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > > > Erm.  It works just fine.  Can you be a bit more clear as to what
> > > > doesn't work?
> > > >
> > > > -Robin
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 03:28:00PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> > > > > Are you talking about jbovlaste? That search engine doesn't work.
> > > > > -Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/26/06, Alex Joseph Martini <alexjm@umich.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > What is the most inclusive way to search for a lojban equivalent of an
> > > > > > English word? My test case has been {pelnimre}, which is glossed as
> > > > > > lemon. If I search for {pelnimre} in 'virtual combination of en->jbo and
> > > > > > jbo->en' I get a match for the entry with the gloss word 'lemon'. But I
> > > > > > can't find any category in which I can search for {lemon} and find
> > > > > > {pelnimre}.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mu'omi'e .aleks.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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