This discussion is reminding me of the argument over whether or not Lojban should have a "fourth tense" (http://www.lojban.org/files/papers/4thtense).... To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.