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[lojban] Re: A (rather long) discussion of {all}
On 6/11/06, Maxim Katcharov <maxim.katcharov@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/10/06, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> An outermost quantifier is distributive,
> an outermost mass-marker is non-distributive. It's that simple.
No doubt it's a simple rule, but the question is if it's the proper
way to describe how we communicate.
It's a proper way to describe how I understand Lojban works.
That's all I can offer you.
> la .alis .e la betis = ro le re prenu
> la .alis joi la betis = lei re prenu
> la .alis jo'u la betis = le re prenu
Are you offering these definitions as suggestions, or
as explanations of how it really is?
As explanations of how I understand them to work in Lojban.
So you would disagree that
loi tadni cu sruri lo dinju
expands to
[da poi sruri lo dinju] cu gunma [lo tadni]
which you had previously described as a legitimate interpretation,
yes?
Using your place structure for {gunma} with distributive x2, I
would disagree, yes. I agreed when I thought we were using
{gunma} with the same meaning.
{loi tadni cu sruri lo skori} and {ro lo tadni cu
sruri lo skori} are different in some way, yes?
Yes.
I'm asking you to explain the difference.
I've already already done that. (And besides you understand
the difference perfectly well.)
Alice is part of X
X surrounds the building
Alice wears a hat
Is the difference not apparent there?
Yes. In the pluralist view one would say instead:
Alice is one of X
X surround the building
In the singularist approach, X is a single thing, distinct from the
things that surround the building and consisting of them, while
in the plural approach X are many things, just those very things
that surround the building.
mu'o mi'e xorxes
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