[lojban] Re: ZOI and culture neutrality

[Hugh O'Byrne <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

John E Clifford wrote:
> --- Hugh O'Byrne <hobyrne@gmail.com> wrote:
> > John E Clifford wrote:
> > > ... I don't see the need for it.
> >
> > In the argument (summarized)
> >
> > me: I think something could be improved!
> > you: I don't see the need for it.
> >
> > your point is at best value-neutral (not even value-negative).  I would 
> > ask you not to filibuster.
>
> Sorry, I took you as saying it ought to be done (what improvements usually entail).  this was a
> request -- in that light -- to show where the need lay, i.e., in what sense its inclusion would be
> an improvement on something.

No, it was not a request.  It was an admission of lack of vision on your 
part, and it was filibustering.

Breakdown:  First sentence, admission of lack of vision.  6 sentences on 
personal preference and personal usage.  A supposition.  And another 
admission of lack of vision.

This was filibuster.  If you disagree, I'm happy to let the community 
decide (though I do not wish to impose such a task on it).  Either the 
representative of the community: the list moderator, or the populus of 
the community: a poll, would be acceptable to me.  Your choice!

What do you think?  Would you abide by the results of a poll on whether 
"me: I think something could be improved! you: I don't see the need for 
it." is filibustering or not?  I would.

Making it easy:  A multiple-choice question.

What are you going to do now?

A) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but refuse to allow any 
feedback from the community in favour or against your position.

B) Maintain that you are not filibustering, but leave the question to 
the community (or a legitimate representative of the community).

C) Admit to filibustering.

D) Ignore this post.

E) ... My imagination lacks.  But as I said, you have considerable 
skill, perhaps you can put something in for "E" here.

(Fair warning:  I am holding this as a coffin-nail.  Not on your 
argument, in particular, but on one of your methods of argument (guess 
which one).  I'm giving you this chance to disarm me of that nail, if 
you care to take it.)

--
Good night, and have a rational tomorrow!

mi'e .xius.



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