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[lojban] Re: ZOI and culture neutrality
Jorge Llambías wrote:
If what you want are official guidelines about a phonetic alphabet, then
I can hardly see any more authoritative guidelines than those provided
by the International Phonetic Association. They will be orders of magnitude
better than the guidelines that a small group of people with a cursory and
amateurish knowledge of phonetics can give you. A phonetic alphabet
is by its very nature not associated with a particular language, so there
is not much point in associating one with Lojban.
Addressing the simpler point first: associating a phonetic alphabet with
Lojban would put it head and shoulders above other languages, in the
area of being accomodating to other languages (a good recommendation
being better, in the community-formation sense, than no recommendation).
... Putting it that way, it seems perhaps this value is mostly
cosmetic. Hm. I'll see if there's another way I can put it.
As for the deeper point: perhaps I underestimated the size of the Lojban
community, and the range and depth of expertise that comes from a larger
population. As I've said before, I'm naive; I think Lojban's great, and
so easily assume *lots* of others do, too.
I asked about a quorum...
It would be good to get input from as large a group as is sensible, but
I agree the size of the group may be somewhat smaller than is usual for
such issues. Is there a minimum size for a quorum?
The LLG currently has 28 members:
<http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=LLG+Members>
I'm not aware of any of them being an expert in phonetics, though I'm
sure at least a few of them know enough not to be dangerous. :)
A group of qualified people *is* what's needed... maybe there doesn't
exist such a group within easy reach. Apart from the IPA (if they *are*
in easy reach). I have written an introductory e-mail to them; if there
is interest in this forum, I can report on the dialog I have with them
as it progresses. Or just milestones, or just when and how the dialog
concludes.
I'm a bit confused now; you indicated in another post that at least some
responsibility has been passed from the LLG to the BPFK... which is which?
...[MEX]...
There have been several discussions about it over the years, but I don't
remember any that might be particularly illuminating at this point. My
objection to MEX can be summarized as follows though: for simple
mathematical expressions, the ordinary grammar suffices, and for
complex expressions, the MEX machinery is inadequate anyway,
so what exactly is it good for?
A challenge! Math is closer to my forte anyway... I shall work on
this, and report back. But in a different thread.
--
Good night, and have a rational tomorrow!
mi'e .xius.
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