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[lojban] Re: Alphabet proposal one.



komfo,amonan wrote:
On 7/7/06, *John E Clifford* <clifford-j@sbcglobal.net <mailto:clifford-j@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

    --- Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com <mailto:betsemes@gmail.com>> wrote:

     > This leads me to a question. How is the latin alphabet culturally
     > biased? Is it just because it comes from languages that comes from
     > Latin or is it because some other reason?

    Well, the Latin alphabet is used for just about every language there
    currently is (with local
    modifications, mainly as to pronunciation) but it the alphabet of
    the civilization/culture of
    Western Europe and that (derivatively from the dominance of that
    culture) is why it is so widely
    used.  So, I suppose that rejecting it as culturally biased is a
    step in antiimperialism,


Well, more people use the Latin alphabet than any other, I suspect. But given Chinese, Arabic, Russian, and the South Asian languages, there's a *lot* of folks who *don't* use it. I counted 2 billion in the language ranking list only going down to Punjabi (no. 13). As far as the number of *languages* go, yeah, most of our 6000 languages have, like, 4,000 speakers & are written in the Latin alphabet by western scholars.

Of course it's culturally biased. It favors the people who already know it. People who grew up writing in Greek, Cyrillic, Arabic, Korean, Armenian, &c. systems have to learn it outright before they can get started on Lojban. But whether Lojban's ideal of cultural neutrality was ever intended to extend that far is another issue.


Almost certainly not. Cultural neutrality is not the same as being equally easy (or difficult!) to learn for everyone, regardless of their native language. This is simply impossible, a fact which is taken into account in the gismu algorithm, which is deliberately biased toward the more widely-spoken languages.

robin.tr


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