[lojban] Re: Archivist/Founders: Clarification of "fuzme", please.

["Jorge Llambías" <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On 10/10/07, Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
>
>  The word "blamed" fits in there as a synonym,
> but probably is malfuzme, because we do not "blame" someone for
> fulfilling their responsibilities, only for failing them;

Presumably {malfuzme} would mean something closer to "guilty"
than to "blamed". If you are blamed but innocent, you would not
be {malfuzme}, only accused of being {malfuzme}.

x1 is responsible for undesirable x2 to judge/authority x3
x1 is guilty of x2 in the eyes of x3
x1 is blamed for x2 by x3

The problem with "blame" is that you don't need any authority in
order to blame someone for something. If x3 has no authority over x1,
then x3 can very well blame x1 for x2, but that by itself does not
make x1 accountable to x3 for x2.

This is tricky because "guilty" is somewhere in the middle too.

> we honor them
> (a different sense than sinma, which is esteem that is NOT necessarily
> tied to a specific action).

{zanfuzme} would have to be something like "recognized/acknowledged".

x1 is responsible for desirable x2 to judge/authority x3
x1 is recognized/acknowledged for x2 by x3

> I took up the leadership of the Loglan/Lojban community out of a sense
> of bilga, not in response to any x3 authority.

Perhaps a _sense_ of bilga, but you probably were under no actual
obligation. {do na pu ca'a bilga lo nu jatna le lojbo cecmu}.

Your sense of duty could just as well be described as a sense of
responsibility. The way I would describe it is that you assumed the
responsibility: {do gasnu lo nu do fuzme lo nu jatna le lojbo cecmu}.
You gave the community the authority to hold you responsible.

> I stepped down because
> of fuzme - an x3 community that held me responsible for my failings in
> business management and in leading the organization into the 21st
> century of Internet-based activity.

do zanfuzme lo nu ze'u jatna kei le lojbo cecmu

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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