[lojban] Re: Deutschland

[Pierre Abbat <lojban-out@lojban.org>]

On Saturday 10 November 2007 18:36, komfo,amonan wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pierre Abbat" <phma@phma.optus.nu>
> > To: <lojban-list@lojban.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:47 PM
> > Subject: [lojban] Deutschland
> >
> > > The cmene can't be {doitclant} because of the doi/la/lai/la'i rule. The
> > > Book,
> > > IIRR, says it's {daitclant}. But the gismu is {dotco}, so why isn't the
> > > cmene
> > > {dotclant}?
>
> Consider that both forms derive from the original 'deutsch/Deutschland', &
> each follows its own morphological rules. Hence 'dotco' is the closest
> possible word to 'deutsch' in (cultural-) gismu-space, while 'daitclant' is
> the closest possible word to 'Deutschland' in cmevla-space.

I don't think {daitclant} is closer to "Deutschland" than {dotclant} is, and 
prefer {dotclant} for consistency.

> On Nov 10, 2007 6:17 PM, Nathaniel Krause <sen@lojbo.org> wrote:
> > I'm not sure why one would use a cmevla at all, since there happens to be
> > a
> > lujvo, dotygu'e, available with the same meaning.

You may want to avoid having the listener think of the x2 and x3 of the lujvo, 
or you may want to use a cmevla for consistency (la .estraix .e la dotclant), 
or maybe someone might think that {dotygu'e} could refer to other countries 
where German is spoken.

> Some folks, myself included, are uncomfortable with the cultural gismu --
> they seem to elevate  a couple dozen cultures above all the others. (And
> yes I know I use them, but within a year or so I'll probably dispense with
> their use entirely.)

There are also cultural lujvo and cultural fu'ivla: labru'o, dizdo'o, berdo'o, 
brodo'o, mraigo, katlana, skalduna, bre'one, tce'exo, oksitano, oiltano, 
tsakoni, to name several just in Europe.

Pierre


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